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Re: talking about Bones (or any other show) in this journal
Beautiful Bones - lerdo
only_more_love

So now that another television season is upon us, I wanted to state something that is hopefully obvious already:

Please consider this a blanket notice that you are welcome to squee AND criticize Bones (or anything else) in my journal.  Some fans are bothered when they read other fans' criticisms of the show; I'm not one of them.  If you're critical, I won't call you a bad fan or say, "Dude, you're harshing my squee," or "Why do you keep watching the show if you dislike so much about it?" or my favorite, "It's only a TV show."  I'm a writer; I get that people can have complicated relationships with fiction. *g* 

Same goes for pure, unadulterated squee.  If you love something, great!  Don't be afraid to speak up.  Your opinion is your opinion, and my opinion is mine.  We don't need to agree on all possible points -- or even any of them.  Feel free to be honest here, for better or for worse.

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Huh? I don't think you're vain, but I also don't know what you're talking about. I put this up because we have new TV, which means new opinions, and I don't want anyone who happens to come through here to feel like they have to hide their thoughts, regardless of where they might fall on the spectrum from squee to "I'm done watching this crap." That's all.

What are you referring to?

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No it's not just you. Sorry to harsh your vain, which sounds a bit squicky. I think the beauty of fandom is that sometimes the ahem more mature ahem among us see how a show ought to develop to satisfy their more mature needs and then get disappointed when the showrunners get so hyped by their success they forget what got them there in the first place and give us the bland same old show development instead. If that makes sense. We in the lj world find our co-users who, like real life friends, share our points of view and so react in similar ways when a show goes off the rails.

I don't see the previews where I live, or the promos, and I avoid all apoilers so I came to the show cold and I was still disappointed. Does that mean it really was poor or like only_more_love I was putting unrealistic demands on the show and should just take the bad and look for the good? As this is currently the only show I'm invested in I suspect it's the latter.

I don't think you started a hate movement; you just happen to move in circles who have been less than impressed. Other people absolutely loved it and squeed all over 206_bones. But then, consider the source.

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Oh well, in that case let's just sit back and invest with as much cheerfulness as we can. It's not the real world anyway. *g*

Ahhhhh, now I understand what you were getting at, Sam. :) Rest assured that this post was not written in reaction to your promo pic entry, which I did read and comment on. And I don't know who on your f-list posted similar entries, but I didn't see any come through on my list. So I definitely wasn't responding to a perceived "hate movement towards the Bones fandom."

I'm not judging you or anyone else; different people are here at LJ for different reasons. With regard to Bones and frankly, with regard to most topics, I genuinely enjoy hearing a variety of perspectives. So this post isn't about me trying to be generous or something. It's actually more fun for me to hear what people honestly think.

Someone else might only want to hear 100% positive opinions about their shows, and they can try to dictate that in their personal journals. Since I prefer a (respectful) free-for-all, I'm trying to let that be known here in my personal journal.

*smooch* You're not vain. ;)

Edited at 2008-09-05 11:40 am (UTC)

I enjoy the show - a lot. I don't expect a TV show to fulfill all my needs/wants: different shows for different folks.

Most TV shows morph - they start one way, and pretty much either stay static *cough* CSI, L&O *cough* or get into "character development".

When TV shows get involved in character development, fans either go along the path with the show's creative staff or they rant and rave against it.

In my experience, those who rant and rave against it either stop watching, or watch in order to rant and rave.

Personally, I think if folks don't find a TV show entertaining enough, they should exercise their freedom and click to another channel, watch a DVD, listen to music, take a walk, or read...or whatever.. :-)

Personally, I think if folks don't find a TV show entertaining enough, they should exercise their freedom and click to another channel, watch a DVD, listen to music, take a walk, or read...or whatever.. :-)

I understand and respect what you're saying. In fact, the day I stop finding a show entertaining is the day I stop watching it! However, I don't think it's my place to tell other folks whether they find a show entertaining "enough" to justify watching it vs. choosing to do something else.

I generally don't rant, not because I think it's bad, but because it's usually simply not my style. But if someone else wants to do so, it's no skin off my back. Hearing someone else's opinion takes away nothing from my own.

Some people do prefer to hear nothing but positive opinions about their shows; since I'm not one of them, I simply wanted to make that clear here and encourage anyone reading to feel free to state their true opinions, positive, negative, and in-between.

And now, since I'm lazy, I'm going to paste a snippet from my response to trilliane:

I'm not judging you or anyone else; different people are here at LJ for different reasons. With regard to Bones and frankly, with regard to most topics, I genuinely enjoy hearing a variety of perspectives. So this post isn't about me trying to be generous or something. It's actually more fun for me to hear what people honestly think.

Someone else might only want to hear 100% positive opinions about their shows, and they can try to dictate that in their personal journals. Since I prefer a (respectful) free-for-all, I'm trying to let that be known here in my personal journal.

Edited at 2008-09-05 11:41 am (UTC)

Sorry to take to long to get back to you on this. My bad; I forgot!

Anyway,I just wanted to say that I don't absolutely love every episode to bits; I think that some episodes are better than others; some parts of episodes are better than other parts. I think some of the writing could improve. I sometimes wish DB weren't a co-producer.

Consequently,I don't expect other fans of the series - or any series - to love it to bits all the time. I expect grousing, but I expect more positive posts than "grousers". Lately, at one or two boards, I read many more grouser comments. It's off-putting.

There are some fans who never seem to have anything positive to say about any episode. Every time a new episode airs, they rush to post their complaints about anything and everything in the episode.

You know, the ones where they complain that "Season X is the best; it's been downhill every since", then the litany of complaints begins. If you comment that you enjoyed the episode, they post back with snide comments. Seriously: IMO, these are fans who love to hate the show.

When I see a lot of folks like that, posting so negatively after every episode, I tend to either leave the community for more positive "pastures", or just lurk for the info I want (spoilers, icons, fics), and leave...stat!

I try not to waste people's time: there's not a lot of it left, so I do my best to avoid places where the negativity is constant.

IMO, there's a big difference between concritting an episode and nitpicking every single episode to death.





Well said. I'm with you here and just wish that more of fandom was like this, which has been my majority experience in fandom actually until quite recently. :-(

Thanks. :) I don't think I'm saying anything particularly complicated or controversial. However, I do know that it genuinely bothers some people when they read dissenting opinions or thoughts about a show that are less than 100% squee-filled. It does NOT bother me, so I wanted to state up-front that here in my personal journal, I encourage ppl to be honest about what they think -- regardless of whether their opinions are 100% positive, 100% critical, or more likely, somewhere in-between. That's it.

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